RE: BLOCK CHANGES

[Emerz]

I was in a group last night in Astirin, and we TRIED to block a two exit room with 2 blockers both blocking the 2 sides, we were unsuccessful in containing the rog in any way. Both of the blockers had around 50pearth.
From my understanding it appears block is being completely removed from the game because only rangers and bards have over 100pearth, or the % chance for a flee is a bit to easy and still needs some attention. But I personally would like to see 50pearth block help contain a mob or player for at least a few flees.

Just before the change in block my 50pearth au.ap successfully pkilled a ba.th that was in my gate and trying to kill me. I blocked in a room and called a clone to help tank him down, needless to say what mighta happened if he was able to flee from that block FIRST try!

A nice enhancement for (Block situation) could be *if* you flee from a blocked room there could be a 1-2 round lag penalty for the successful flee. After all, it is still your bad for entering a blocked room....
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[LeftyRuhk]

Well the point of the block change was because of just that reason, it was way too buff.. basically entering a block = instant death.. no skill should be like that. 50 pearth block is minimum elements! I'm not saying it doesn't need to be tweaked (I havent used it yet) but I am saying that you shouldn't expect so much out of a skill at minimum, just because it used to be crazy buff.
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[Apollo]

I was one of the blockers in that situation, and even with max block, I only blocked maybe once out of like 8 flees. Also, there was an issue where it would leave twice in one round.

[Emerz]

chance to flee from a block = win, block not working at all = lose

even with 50 points in a element, a skill is a skill, and 50 elements is a lot, even at the worst, I think 50pearth should mean 1/4 chance to escape, 100 = 2/8 150 = 1/8 and 200 1/10


this is from an aim conversation with lefty, he suggested I post it here : p
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[Apollo]

"50pearth should mean 1/4 chance to escape, 100 = 2/8"

1/4 = 2/8 >_>

[Emerz]

ok Its Offical, after 3 days of hardcore xp with lots of diffrent blockers, trying to block elder ogiers, balrogs, jak, missing link, asps, anything that runs away.... Block does not work at ALL
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[talen]

What were the element levels emerz?

[cadrach]

yeah, post a couple of logs too -- not 10 pages of them, but a couple of rounds would be nice.

Worked fine for me in testing..

cAd

[Apollo]

Hmm.. Here's a bit of a log, with 200 PEarth. Make of it what you will.

<344H 531M 203V 1X 19:07:21 95S 224E> You move to block the east exit!

<345H 531M 199V 1X 19:07:23 95S 224E> claw elder
The Ogier Elder charges towards you!

Your claws rake the Ogier Elder! [192]

<346H 531M 199V 1X 22%D 19:07:24 95S 224E>
the Ogier Elder hits you hard. [7 HP]
Your shield of fire fades a bit.
Your Fireshield makes the Ogier Elder writhe in agony! [10]
the Ogier Elder misses you with his hit. [0 HP]
the Ogier Elder misses you with his hit. [0 HP]
You set yourself firmly against the exit!
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [37 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [37 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [34 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [32 HP]

<340H 531M 199V 1X 38%D 19:07:25 95S 224E>
the Ogier Elder hits you hard. [7 HP]
the Ogier Elder misses you with his hit. [0 HP]
the Ogier Elder hits you. [5 HP]
You set yourself firmly against the exit!
A brilliant, rune-carved ivory lance, 'Frostspire' vibrates and crackles with magical energy!
The shimmering icelance hits the Ogier Elder with full impact! [64]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [32 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [34 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [34 HP]
A brilliant, rune-carved ivory lance, 'Frostspire' vibrates and crackles with magical energy!
The shimmering icelance hits the Ogier Elder with full impact! [114]
You ANNIHILATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [31 HP]

<329H 531M 200V 1X 72%D 19:07:27 95S 224E> claw

the Ogier Elder hits you hard. [7 HP]
the Ogier Elder misses you with his hit. [0 HP]
the Ogier Elder hits you hard. [7 HP]
You set yourself firmly against the exit!
You ANNIHILATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [31 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [33 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [33 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
The Ogier Elder leaves up.

<316H 531M 201V 1X 19:07:29 95S 224E> claw who?

<316H 531M 201V 1X 19:07:29 95S 224E> u
The top of the hill

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[ d ]
An Ogier elder contemplates his next move carefully.

<316H 531M 200V 1X 19:07:30 95S 224E> block d
You move to block the down exit!

<318H 531M 196V 1X 19:07:32 95S 224E>
Your shield of fire flairs up to full strength!

<319H 531M 196V 1X 19:07:33 95S 224E> kill elder
You throw yourself fully into the fight!
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [37 HP]
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [32 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
The Ogier Elder leaves down.

<319H 531M 196V 1X 19:07:34 95S 224E>
<320H 531M 197V 1X 19:07:35 95S 224E> d
Alabast's Lair

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[ e u ]
The corpse of Alabast the Dragon is lying here.
An Ogier elder contemplates his next move carefully.

<320H 531M 196V 1X 19:07:36 95S 224E>
[Info] : Oruk has gained a level!

<321H 531M 196V 1X 19:07:37 95S 224E> block e
You move to block the east exit!
[Congrat] Oruk: Oruk smash things, get level!

<321H 531M 191V 1X 19:07:37 95S 224E> kill elder
You throw yourself fully into the fight!
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [32 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
The Ogier Elder leaves east.

<323H 531M 192V 1X 19:07:39 95S 224E> e
Inside the cave

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[ w u ]
An Ogier elder contemplates his next move carefully.

<324H 531M 192V 1X 19:07:41 95S 224E> block u
You move to block the up exit!

<324H 531M 187V 1X 19:07:42 95S 224E> kill elder
You set yourself firmly against the exit!
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [35 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
The Ogier Elder leaves west.

<325H 531M 187V 1X 19:07:43 95S 224E> w
Alabast's Lair

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[ e u ]
The corpse of Alabast the Dragon is lying here.
An Ogier elder contemplates his next move carefully.

<327H 531M 187V 1X 19:07:45 95S 224E> block e
You move to block the east exit!

<327H 531M 182V 1X 19:07:45 95S 224E> kill elder
You set yourself firmly against the exit!
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [34 HP]
The Ogier Elder is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.
You DISINTEGRATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly pierce!! [101 HP]
The Ogier Elder is dead! R.I.P.
You receive 18774 experience points.
get coins corpse
Your blood freezes as you hear the Ogier Elder's death cry.

[cadrach]

well here's my testing log: Norgoth has 180 PEarth - and my other session is cadrach switched into the mob

the Ogier Elder hits you hard. [7 HP]
the Ogier Elder hits you hard. [7 HP]
the Ogier Elder misses you with his hit. [0 HP]
You throw yourself fully into the fight!
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [27 HP]
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]

<1754H 3025M 3000V 4899526X 77%D 100S>
cad%


cad% You hit Norgoth.
cad% You hit Norgoth.
cad% You miss Norgoth with your hit.
cad% Norgoth massacres you to small fragments with his hit.
cad% You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
cad% The Hollow Tree
cad% A huge, oval table is in the center of the room. This is the room
cad% where the Council of Elders and the Stump meet regularly.
cad% [ d ]
cad% The corpse of the Ogier Elder is lying here. (4)
cad% An Elder Ogier is here, thinking over a recent proposal.
cad% An Elder Ogier is here, thinking over a recent proposal.
cad%
cad% >
the Ogier Elder hits you. [5 HP]
the Ogier Elder hits you. [6 HP]
the Ogier Elder misses you with his hit. [0 HP]
You set yourself firmly against the exit!
You massacre the Ogier Elder to small fragments with your hit. [21 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
The Ogier Elder leaves up.

<1745H 3025M 3000V 4899515X 100S> u

cad%
The Hollow Tree

cad% Norgoth has arrived.
cad%
cad% >

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[ d ]
The corpse of the Ogier Elder is lying here. (4)
An Elder Ogier is here, thinking over a recent proposal.
An Elder Ogier is here, thinking over a recent proposal.
An Elder Ogier is here, thinking over a recent proposal.

<1749H 3025M 2999V 4899515X 100S> block d

cad%
You move to block the down exit!

cad% Norgoth moves to block the down exit!
cad%
cad% >

<1751H 3025M 2995V 4899515X 100S> #
kill eld

cad%
You set yourself firmly against the exit!

cad% Norgoth OBLITERATES you with his deadly hit!!
cad% You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
cad% Norgoth has blocked your escape!
cad% PANIC! You couldn't escape!
cad% Norgoth OBLITERATES you with his deadly hit!!
cad% You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
cad% Norgoth has blocked your escape!
cad% PANIC! You couldn't escape!
cad% Norgoth OBLITERATES you with his deadly hit!!
cad% You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
cad% Norgoth has blocked your escape!
cad% PANIC! You couldn't escape!
cad% Norgoth OBLITERATES you with his deadly hit!!
cad% You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
cad% Norgoth has blocked your escape!
cad% PANIC! You couldn't escape!
cad% Norgoth deftly dodges your attack!
cad% You hit Norgoth.
cad% You barely hit Norgoth.
cad%
cad% >
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [27 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
You deftly dodge the Ogier Elder's attack!
the Ogier Elder hits you. [5 HP]
the Ogier Elder barely hits you. [4 HP]

<1752H 3025M 3000V 4899462X 91%D 100S>
cad%


cad% Norgoth deftly dodges your attack!
cad% You hit Norgoth hard.
cad% You barely hit Norgoth.
cad% Norgoth OBLITERATES you with his deadly hit!!
cad% You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
cad% Norgoth has blocked your escape!
cad% PANIC! You couldn't escape!
cad% Norgoth OBLITERATES you with his deadly hit!!
cad% You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!
cad% Norgoth has blocked your escape!
cad% PANIC! You couldn't escape!
cad% Norgoth OBLITERATES you with his deadly hit!!
cad% You're stunned, but will probably regain consciousness again.
cad%
cad% >
You deftly dodge the Ogier Elder's attack!
the Ogier Elder hits you hard. [7 HP]
the Ogier Elder barely hits you. [4 HP]
You set yourself firmly against the exit!
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [27 HP]
The Ogier Elder panics, and attempts to flee.
You OBLITERATE the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [26 HP]
The Ogier Elder is stunned, but will probably regain consciousness again.

<1743H 3025M 3000V 4899422X 99%D 100S>
cad%


cad% You are dead! Sorry...
cad%
cad% As you feel your soul torn from your living flesh...
cad% ... you feel your body reforming slowly.. painfully..
cad% ... your senses begin to return as the red haze of death slowly fades..
cad% ... flesh and bones reform, you begin to regain awareness..
cad% Whole again, you realize that you are able to move..
cad%
cad% >
You throw yourself fully into the fight!
You TOTALLY DEMOLISH the Ogier Elder with your deadly hit!! [41 HP]
The Ogier Elder is dead! R.I.P.
You receive 8977 experience points.
Your blood freezes as you hear the Ogier Elder's death cry.
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This behavior is appropriate for the skill - if I can't recreate this issue, I can't debug it..

cAd

[Emerz]

well 180 vs pvp might be working different, but from a weeks worth of xp with lots of blockers, it only successfully blocked a mob for more then 2 flee once.



I would also like to point out that the only 2 classes that have a real use for physical EARTH and that's Ranger and Bard but neither of these classes have block?

RANGER SKILLS (Physical)

EARTH
FORAGE (25) AMBIDEXTERITY (30)
ARCHERY (35) *
MOVE SILENTLY (40)
HUNT (45)
TREAD (50)


BARD SKILLS (Physical)

EARTH
BARD SONG (25) * STEAL (30) AMBIDEXTERITY (30)
SNEAK (30)
TRIP (35)

So making a huge change that would only affect multiclassing to a class with block seems to really affect the majority with block...most players have around 50pearth block. Its also a nightmare in xp now, and completely unreliable pvp, I would like to suggest keeping the majority inmind and try and make blocked still somewhat effective between 50-100, but for people with 17 pearth post multi in their block screw em!


-Emerz
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[Tintagel]

why not move block to another element more suitable to blocker combos?

Lelant.

[LeftyRuhk]

Or maybe now pearth will actually be useful? Why do we have to keep pearth down! Lets buff it up! Get those pearl/obs hs! Woo!
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[Emerz]

what would be 2 good elements to use for block pearth/pair?
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[cadrach]

there may be something in the works with this - based mainly on the # of bananas recently consumed by the blocker vs the # of bananas recently consumed by the fleeing pansy...

mmmmmmmmm
yellow

cAd

[Apollo]

After using it some more, it now seems that the blocker has the engage combat for block to work properly. Must be related to that "You set yourself firmly against the exit" message..

[arion]

hmm emerz, was the ba/th me? in gate 12? Androth? i think that was me..but yes, block is getting kind of worthless now.
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[Tempus]

Based on Cadrach's post, it doesn't look like block is useless. Perhaps it screws up all those fighters who like to max their finishers because they have a 5th element again, but it's still not useless!
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[lochlyn]

Ive done some blocking in lab and in wz with my ba/wa that has 190pearth roughly...I havent blocked yet.